THANKS. it is sad the brits didn't give her an intelligence job after the war. men. i'd love to know more about the parents that made such a strong woman. pansypoo
A lot of Americans are living out their lives in the shadows as she did, some by choice, most because of privations from having fallen through the wide social cracks. vox.
"As she related in postwar debriefings, documented in Britain’s National Archives, the Gestapo tortured her — beating her, stripping her naked, then submerging her repeatedly in a bath of ice-cold water until she began to black out from lack of oxygen. Yet they failed to force her to yield the secrets they sought: her real identity, the names of others working with her in the resistance and the assignments given to her by London. At the time, she was 23."
Another dramatic tale demonstrating that torture does not work.
However...
"But wartime friends said after her death, on Sept. 2, that she had found it difficult to adjust to peacetime life, and a medical report in the government archives said she was suffering from psychological symptoms brought on by her wartime service."
...if the goal is not gaining intelligence but merely destroying people, then torture is very effective.
As I read about her bravery, I couldn't help thinking about those "real Americans" Palin, O'Donnell and Angle. Would any of them have been as steadfast?
Sullivan pointed out that the NYT unequivocally called what was done to her by the Gestapo "torture", while they call what we do to people "enhanced interrogation".
are there more heroes like her, quietly suffering in unanimity? they need to be sought out, given whatever treatment needed and publicly feted. it's the least we can do. imagine if this woman had felt the nation's gratitude before she died.
the article says she was intensely private, but surely she would have appreciated a thoughtful profile in the papers that acknowledged and honored her sacrifice.
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THANKS. it is sad the brits didn't give her an intelligence job after the war. men.
i'd love to know more about the parents that made such a strong woman.
pansypoo
Picking nits: That's "Markkleeberg" not Markleberg. Doesn't anyone check facts at the NYTimes any more?
A lot of Americans are living out their lives in the shadows as she did, some by choice, most because of privations from having fallen through the wide social cracks.
vox.
she made all things considered.
"As she related in postwar debriefings, documented in Britain’s National Archives, the Gestapo tortured her — beating her, stripping her naked, then submerging her repeatedly in a bath of ice-cold water until she began to black out from lack of oxygen. Yet they failed to force her to yield the secrets they sought: her real identity, the names of others working with her in the resistance and the assignments given to her by London. At the time, she was 23."
Another dramatic tale demonstrating that torture does not work.
However...
"But wartime friends said after her death, on Sept. 2, that she had found it difficult to adjust to peacetime life, and a medical report in the government archives said she was suffering from psychological symptoms brought on by her wartime service."
...if the goal is not gaining intelligence but merely destroying people, then torture is very effective.
As I read about her bravery, I couldn't help thinking about those "real Americans" Palin, O'Donnell and Angle. Would any of them have been as steadfast?
Sullivan pointed out that the NYT unequivocally called what was done to her by the Gestapo "torture", while they call what we do to people "enhanced interrogation".
palin would have been the torturer.
are there more heroes like her, quietly suffering in unanimity? they need to be sought out, given whatever treatment needed and publicly feted. it's the least we can do. imagine if this woman had felt the nation's gratitude before she died.
oops, make that anonymity.
the article says she was intensely private, but surely she would have appreciated a thoughtful profile in the papers that acknowledged and honored her sacrifice.
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